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How many people died last year just from simple alcohol overdoses? |
its called natural selection so to me this is not a valid argument
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| CrAz3D wrote: | | develop a new hair test. I'm sure they can make one that can be administered in 10 minutes. Until then, pot should be completely legal |
OK so until we can determine who is or is not inebriated to drive we should just make it legal and pray right?
Your liberal skirt is showing 
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| PO1911 wrote: | | CrAz3D wrote: | | develop a new hair test. I'm sure they can make one that can be administered in 10 minutes. Until then, pot should be completely legal |
OK so until we can determine who is or is not inebriated to drive we should just make it legal and pray right?
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Can you prove that a specific person is dangerous because of their pot smoking? No. Innocent until proven guilty. Dont be such a neo-con. haha
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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its like this right at this moment it is illegal so either dont do it or dont bitch if you get caught
and yes it is a arbitrary number one that happens to be accurate for over 80% of the population I can deal with it why cant anybody else? if you want to enjoy your what ever do it at home then you have no fear of a DUI
the argument that I only got a DUI is because the set the # too low is stupid
the same argument would be floating out there if it were .10 (which it was until recently) .14 .16 or .2 somebody somewhere would whine the # was too low
and I will state again (same as every time we go round and round with this silly nonsense ) I have a CDL which means I cant drive past .04 bac and any amount ANY amount logged while I am driving a CMV gets me a ticket and reported to my company and I loose my job for a first offense do I cry about it? no I make sure I dont go to work drunk or even tipsy buzzed I dont take the chance If you want to go ahead take it just dont whine about it
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| PO1911 wrote: | its like this right at this moment it is illegal so either dont do it or dont bitch if you get caught
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But DO bitch if the law is wrong......thats what is happening here
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In your opinion The law is wrong and your opinion is no better than mine I say the law is just fine
so 
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but I'm not saying whine about being caught (although the federal law is unconstitutional), just that it needs to be changed.
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no offense... no screw that, full offense.
PO1911 your logic blows my mind. Really, reading your statements my jaw simply drops.
| Quote: | | its called natural selection so to me this is not a valid argument |
So, if we let smokers drive, its even more of a selection. 
Only morons would drive stoned, they might kill a couple decent people, but meh, all in population control, right ?
And your fine with a drug, thats been proven to cause horrible deaths not just while driving, but your not ok with a drug that has been proven NOT to raise the traffic death rates ??? What sense does that make ? Your ok with people driving drunk as a skunk, not able to see straight, stumbling all over, but someone who is high.... thats a no ? WTF ? Seriously ? You think because there is a BAC people don't drive drunk ? Thats naive. People do it every day. How can bars be legal ? you must drive there, and most drive home. They have had at least a beer in em.
| Quote: | | nope sorry on the hair sample 4-6 weeks to get the results back (longer if you have to test everybody who may be intox) no but it needs to be similar in ease and quick results as a breathalyzer then I will stand in your corner |
Ok, for a second time. Give the demand, and some nerdy scientist will provide a supply of instant MJ tests. How about a cotton swab test ? They are around, and take less the 5 minutes to administer, and you find out if they are high NOW. BOOM ! Perfect test. Now STFU and GTFO.
| Quote: | | OK so until we can determine who is or is not inebriated to drive we should just make it legal and pray right? |
Pray all you want to your imaginary man in the sky. he aint gunna help you ! 
No, we don't need to pray much at all. Its already been proven, over a LONG, LONG test period, traffic death rates do NOT, and I say again, DO NOT FUCKING increase when marijuana is legalized. Join the rest of the free world. We are a select few that make it illegal, and prosecute regularly. 49% of these "criminals" are non-violent offenders who smoked a doob in their home, or on some street corner and someone ratted them out. Who do you think these criminals are ? All drivers ? or all king pins ? Either way, your being naive again.
| Quote: | | its like this right at this moment it is illegal so either dont do it or dont bitch if you get caught |
Easy to say. What if the person NEEDS ganja to live a good life ? Just don't do it ? Obviously you haven't had any one close who benefitted from ganja. Come tell my grandma, while she laid dying, that she shouldn't driink the tea to ease her pain. These "criminals" have commited no crime against any man. They are non violent. They hurt no one. But we get to pay for their food and shelter for YEARS to come. Makes sense to me.  Good thing we have so many empty spots in prison...... wait ....
So, you follow any law blindly ? Your a fool if you do. "trust government. government is your friend".
Fawkin nazi. Keep an eye on government. Question authority. Trust no one with power. Keeps this country what it was meant to be (or would have, but lets not get into that)
| Quote: | | In your opinion The law is wrong and your opinion is no better than mine I say the law is just fine |
Godforbid someone close is dying of cancer, or aids. Come talk to me then. Again, you don't care cause it doesn't directly affect you. So fuck everyone else, right ? Fuck those dying patients, who want one or two good days before they go. Fuck em all, huh ?
I hope your god is more forgiving and understanding then this.
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NM's response to DUI's and drugs.
it is unlawful for a person to drive in this state if a person has XX amount of drug in their system within 3 hrs of driving.
POT:
-thc: 2 nanograms/milliliter of blood
-metabolite: 5 nanos/milliliter
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Justforyourfuckinginfo
just because I said pray, please do not lump me in with ANY organized religion I am about as religious as a rock
if you read the post I replied to, the "natural selection" was in response to NCSU_05_FX4 who made a statement about alcohol overdoses,
IMHO anybody that dies of a (self administered) overdose of anything it is natural selection.
I never said I follow the law blindly, but I prioritize, would I like to come home have a nice fat one and relax, sure, but If I have to drop at work I loose my job, then house,truck,license etc so I do not partake, it has been ten years since I have even looked at it, if I am at a party and some one breaks it out I leave (at least till its gone)
as for the nerdy scientist the demand is already there, CA has decriminalized it so there is a obvious need for it, if there were a 5 min swab test with the same repercussions as failing, or refusing a breathalyzer test then way cool, I have never heard of such a test but if it comes up it will sway a lot of people to the side of legalization, and while we are on the subject the punishment for a first offense DUI is way too light, the punishment for a first offense should be so harsh than NO-ONE ever gets a second and if ya kill somebody while DUI, Fuck You off to the gas chamber with your stupid ass!
| Quote: | | Come tell my grandma, while she laid dying, that she shouldn't driink the tea to ease her pain. These "criminals" have commited no crime against any man. They are non violent. They hurt no one. |
If I were dying the law really wouldn't matter anymore, I have never heard of a little old lady getting thrown in the slammer for smoking a doob, most people who have AIDS I would say a good 90% have it because they made poor decisions in life so no I dont give a shit about their pain at all, not one bit. as for myself, I will not even tell you what my plans are if I ever get diagnosed with a terminal illness, there are a lot of tabs come due that day.
non violent, well most aren't but not all My H.S. girfriend's dad was a POS never touched a drop of alcohol smoked 4 times a day EVERY day lost a very decent job because he got hurt at work oddly enough about a half hour after his "lunchtime" (nudge wink) saying that all pot smokers are non violent, is like me saying all black people are criminals just because the vast majority may be, not all are.
BTW calling me a NAZI does not ingratiate you to I nor does it give you argument any weight or credence
and again, one more time, if you dont like the law change it, if it were legal I would still continue to live my life, and as a personal choice I prolly still would not smoke it, just Because I dont really feel the need for it in my life, Just as I dont drink much, I am not a tea totaler but I dont drink daily or even weekly more like once every 3-4 months and I most always drink at home, If I am at a bar and my dd fucks up and has a drink I am fucked and paying a 100$ cab ride home so I just stay home and drink.
just for general principal I could not care less about what a adult does in the privacy of your own home, including crack, heroin, coke, man ass what ever but when those things start spilling out into public (and if you dont think that will happen you are the naive one not I) then it is most defiantly an issue that I care about.
how about my (soon to be ex)wife that becomes violently ill at the first whiff of pot smoke, sorry lady its legal now you just have to deal with it never mind your pothead neighbors that like to smoke all the damm time out in the back yard, I suggest you sell your house and move.
see you are basing your arguments on the way YOU live YOUR life I am basing my arguments on the base knowledge of the fact that people are assholes, and if they make it legal there will be a spike of retards doing stupid shit, and if there are not peripheral laws in effect at the same time I.E. you can smoke at home but not in public, if your neighbors can smell it you better stop it, etc etc it will be a real nightmare for the rest of us
but as long as YOU'RE happy I guess nobody else matters does it
BTW yes I do just enjoy poking you with a stick 
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Again, your logic makes the jaw drop. Got some laughs outta this one too. Good job !
| Quote: | | just because I said pray, please do not lump me in with ANY organized religion I am about as religious as a rock |
Alright you left wing bible thumper.
| Quote: | if you read the post I replied to, the "natural selection" was in response to NCSU_05_FX4 who made a statement about alcohol overdoses,
IMHO anybody that dies of a (self administered) overdose of anything it is natural selection. |
So why on earth, is something that CAN'T fucking kill you illegal, while booze, one of the leading causes of death, remains illegal ? WTF ? Where is the logic behind that ??? Fucking NONE.
| Quote: | | I never said I follow the law blindly, but I prioritize, would I like to come home have a nice fat one and relax, sure, but If I have to drop at work I loose my job, then house,truck,license etc so I do not partake, it has been ten years since I have even looked at it, if I am at a party and some one breaks it out I leave (at least till its gone) |
You didn't have to say it. I read bewteen the lines bud. Since your can't smoke, no one else should, right ? WTF is the point of this ? Want a damn cookie ? Congrats, you don't smoke. Why should your NAZI ass tell me what the fuck I can or can't do in the privacy of my own home ? Yes, I have been busted in my own home. For a misdemeanor simple possesion.
| Quote: | | as for the nerdy scientist the demand is already there, CA has decriminalized it so there is a obvious need for it, if there were a 5 min swab test with the same repercussions as failing, or refusing a breathalyzer test then way cool, I have never heard of such a test but if it comes up it will sway a lot of people to the side of legalization, and while we are on the subject the punishment for a first offense DUI is way too light, the punishment for a first offense should be so harsh than NO-ONE ever gets a second and if ya kill somebody while DUI, Fuck You off to the gas chamber with your stupid ass! |
I have had the cotton swab test administered to me. Google it. So, get off this trip. There is an instant test. Tells if the person has smoked recently. Good to go. Quitchurbitching.
Couldn't agree more on your DUI punishment. I have said the same for most laws. Such as, a $5k fine if your stupid POS ass is blabbering away on a fucking cell phone. I have always said : "head for an eye, heart for a tooth". I will do FAR worse to you, then what you did to me, in order to "persuade" you to stop.
| Quote: | | Come tell my grandma, while she laid dying, that she shouldn't driink the tea to ease her pain. These "criminals" have commited no crime against any man. They are non violent. They hurt no one. |
| Quote: | | If I were dying the law really wouldn't matter anymore, I have never heard of a little old lady getting thrown in the slammer for smoking a doob, most people who have AIDS I would say a good 90% have it because they made poor decisions in life so no I dont give a shit about their pain at all, not one bit. as for myself, I will not even tell you what my plans are if I ever get diagnosed with a terminal illness, there are a lot of tabs come due that day. |
If you were dying, the law wouldn't matter ? Until your ass is being prosecuted. Yes, "little ole ladies" get thrown in jail everyday. You don't hear about it ? How often are you looking ? Its not gunna make headlines. It looks too bad.
I would say 100% of people in this world have made bad decisions. Thats no need to have NO sympathy for the suffering. Its not like they killed someone, more like they fucked some slut, who either didn't know, or didn't say shit. Now BAM, you have fucking aids. Bad decision ? Yes. But who the fuck do you think you are ? You sound like Mr. Holier then thou over there. Turning your nose up to the people who are dying slow painful deaths. I'm a true asshole, but buddy, your taking the cake here. Most people contract aids from and unknowing or unsharing partner. Period.
| Quote: | | non violent, well most aren't but not all My H.S. girfriend's dad was a POS never touched a drop of alcohol smoked 4 times a day EVERY day lost a very decent job because he got hurt at work oddly enough about a half hour after his "lunchtime" (nudge wink) saying that all pot smokers are non violent, is like me saying all black people are criminals just because the vast majority may be, not all are. |
OK.... point being ? Where did I say every single person who smokes pot in non-violent ? Reread and try again little fella. I said 49%, thats slightly less then half. Thats one more then 48% but less then 50%. Its a number. Its eight more then 41%. Get it now ??? 49% of people who are arrested. Not 49% of all pot smokers. 49% of people arrested were arrested for non violent acts. That doesn't mean these people don't have any violence in them, any one human is capable of horrible acts against another man. So, again, since you missed my entire last post, 49% of people who are arrested for a marijuana crime, are a arrested for a non violent act. Get it ? Got it ? good.
| Quote: | | BTW calling me a NAZI does not ingratiate you to I nor does it give you argument any weight or credence |
No, but obviosly gets under your skin, otherwise you wouldn't of posted this part, ya NAZI !!!! I'm fuckin with you man.
| Quote: | | and again, one more time, if you dont like the law change it, if it were legal I would still continue to live my life, and as a personal choice I prolly still would not smoke it, just Because I dont really feel the need for it in my life, Just as I dont drink much, I am not a tea totaler but I dont drink daily or even weekly more like once every 3-4 months and I most always drink at home, If I am at a bar and my dd fucks up and has a drink I am fucked and paying a 100$ cab ride home so I just stay home and drink. |
We are trying. It doesn't happen over nite. More and more states are adopting medical marijuana laws. With this huge downturn in the economy, it makes it easy to make our case. We could create millions of jobs, relieve the Unites States deficit, dump countless millions into state and federal funds. We could prosper. Much like how Silcon Valley boomed, the marijuana industry would too, but there boom might not pop. It wont go away.
Countries like our, that prohibit booze until your 21, leave kids to want to drink. More kids binge drink in the U.S. then all of Europe (on average). They grow up around it, and its nothing " rebel " like about it. Its the norm. Same with pot. Many people smoke pot because its "cool" and "dangerous". Make it legal, make it normal. Talk about it openly. And eventually the cool factor is gone. Now the people who need it, can smoke it, without fear of the house being repossessed, or being thrown in jail.
| Quote: | | just for general principal I could not care less about what a adult does in the privacy of your own home, including crack, heroin, coke, man ass what ever but when those things start spilling out into public (and if you dont think that will happen you are the naive one not I) then it is most defiantly an issue that I care about. |
If pot was made legal, driving would still carry a DUI, smoking in public would still carry hefty fines. But when I travel on vacation, I don't have to worry about bringing ganja with me. When I smoke in my house, I don't have to worry about the police knocking on my door. Yes, people get busted for crimes committed inside their own home, all the time, every day. Your ok with tobacco smoke spilling out into public though, right ? and booze ? and vicodin ? morphine ? how about a vicodin/jack cocktail ? Still fine with me walking around your neighborhood ? No. Booze is legal, but drunk is public is a punishable offense, much like how pot would be treated. Yes, bums still drink in public, yes some would still smoke. Its the price you pay to be a mother fucking FREE country.
| Quote: | | how about my (soon to be ex)wife that becomes violently ill at the first whiff of pot smoke, sorry lady its legal now you just have to deal with it never mind your pothead neighbors that like to smoke all the damm time out in the back yard, I suggest you sell your house and move. |
I would put up a sign : "this is my peice of dirt. Don't like it, kiss my ass."
And generally tell you guys to fuck off, to be perfectly honest. So, your ok with tobacco smoke giving you cancer, but pot smoke makes you ill, so thats a big no ? WTF ? One will KILL you, the other doesn't. Don't like it ? We work out a compromise. Since its outside, and my backyard is bigger then a fucking outhouse, I simply go to a different corner of the yard. They make filter products I could blow the smoke into, that way your wifey would never even know. Plenty of ways around this. But honestly, its tough fucking luck. I am an avid BBQ-er. I use a large smoker. Neighbors bitch and moan constantly, I raise just one finger, calling them number one. I then bring each family a rack of ribs, and oddly enough, bitching stops ! Neighbors gotta work together. You want it one way, I want it another, BOTH have to make compromises, not just me.
| Quote: | see you are basing your arguments on the way YOU live YOUR life I am basing my arguments on the base knowledge of the fact that people are assholes, and if they make it legal there will be a spike of retards doing stupid shit, and if there are not peripheral laws in effect at the same time I.E. you can smoke at home but not in public, if your neighbors can smell it you better stop it, etc etc it will be a real nightmare for the rest of us
but as long as YOU'RE happy I guess nobody else matters does it |
This is where I started laughing. I base my arguements on my life experience, as do you. Don't try and fool yourself. Your doing the same exact thing. If your not, then your agruements are BS and useless. Use your life experience to develope your own opinions, don't just buy into any opinion. I have been around this scene almost all my life. I have worked along side Hospice to aid the dying. I am around it far more then most, thats why I feel so strongly the way I do. You obviously have never sat next to the dying, WHILE THEY BENEFITTED from marijuana. As much as it would change your mind on the subject, I would NEVER wish it upon you. But if you have the time, feel free to swing by. I'll show you a whole different world. You'd be amazed.
| Quote: | | BTW yes I do just enjoy poking you with a stick |
 Keep that stick to yo self foo !!! I don't swing that way !
mmkay, had my fun for the day, now I gotta actually work.... lame
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| Quote: | | K.... point being ? Where did I say every single person who smokes pot in non-violent ? Reread and try again little fella. I said 49%, thats slightly less then half. Thats one more then 48% but less then 50%. Its a number. Its eight more then 41%. Get it now ??? 49% of people who are arrested. Not 49% of all pot smokers. 49% of people arrested were arrested for non violent acts. That doesn't mean these people don't have any violence in them, any one human is capable of horrible acts against another man. So, again, since you missed my entire last post, 49% of people who are arrested for a marijuana crime, are a arrested for a non violent act. Get it ? Got it ? good. |
Yes I get it, the majority (that would be 51%) larger than 50 smaller than 52 that are arrested for a MJ crime ARE violent
damm you suck at this
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UMM thank you
| Quote: | | Most people contract aids from and unknowing or unsharing partner. Period. |
right choose a lying, cheating, asshole and you may wind up AIDS
again bad choices= sucks to be you, quit whining and no, Im not going to pay for it
and I will swing my stick anywhere I want to
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